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The Black Wiki ?

I see this wiki. Author is Twistix. It's a copy of WikiAOC Main page ^^ It's an old wiki. Blue, Brown or Black wiki ? (private joke) --Karouko 13:10, 23 November 2007 (CST)

That's really cheeky. They've ripped our source and even the namespaces / categories. I've left them a message on their "Community Portal" page (seem familiar?) - even though their site hasn't been worked on since july (I think it's a dead wiki).Torn 04:40, 24 November 2007 (CST)

Sysop status

We have a new sysop, please welcome Karouko :). And also, i gave all bureaucrat rights to Torn in advance if you guys need to edit navigation bars, some system messages etc while i'm not here. I thought i would be free by this week but it turns out that i will need a couple more days to handle some personal issues. Sorry about that.

BTW, Please feel free to decide and implement anything you wish while i'm absent. :)

Antimon 15:10, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

Thanks a lot :) --Karouko 04:45, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

I've added Eluna as a sysop so that she (the name sounds female, I'll go with she until they say otherwise! :)) can carry out the lore / scope and race naming suggestions at the bottom of the village pump. I hope to see more new contributors and more people helping out in the near future, so: welcome to the team! Torn 04:43, 2 November 2007 (CDT)

Map of Hyboria

Just wondered if this map would be any good for people that might not know what Hyboria actually looks like, or perhaps just use parts relevant to AOC or are you lot wanting to wait for the actual ingame map? Map of Hyboria Also how does one add things? (like acronyms) or does adding content require permissions that editing dosn't?

Lastly is it ok for me to ask questions like the above here or should I e-mail/do something else to ask them?

P.S I've never used a wiki for more than just browsing before so most of this is new to me, i'll just plod along with the tutorials. Also am I ok to use my User:talk area to practise things? JohnR 20:27, 5 May 2007 (CDT+5)

Welcome!
I think we should wait for the ingame map since it might be different or partial. Feel free to ask anything about wikiaoc and generic wiki stuff here. I'm planning to have a seperated discussion area for in-game stuff but everything else suits here. You can create new pages, just write its name to search box and hit "Go". There you can see the "create this page" link at top. You can test stuff on "WikiAOC:Sandbox" page. I deleted it recently so you can test creating pages on that too. (BTW, "WikiAOC:" means that page is in WikiAOC namespace and it has nothing to do with game, its about the site itself. Like this page and help pages etc. Don't use any namespace for game related pages.) Antimon 15:32, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
Yes, it should be possible, i'll check mediawiki sources to see how are that links created. Hope i can manage to make that with some extension. Modifying mediawiki code causes too much trouble when upgrading. Antimon 20:00, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
Hi, I contacted Chrysagon the author of the map described here and got his permission to included it in AoCWiki, so long as an attribution & link is included. This should work fine until FC releases their own in-game map which we could then replace it with. --Eluna 13:01, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
Eluna's pointed out to me (on my talk page) that the alternate hyborian map I've uploaded is copyright by Clayton Bunce - a tabletop RPG map artist. I've done some quick googling for 'Clayton Bunce', and believe it to be a nom de plume for Carolyn Garrison Bunce [1] [2] [3]. Her domain, morningstarillustration.com appears to have expired [4]. I'm going to email her at the two addresses and ask her if we can use her map, but I'm not sure whether we'll get a reply. Should we keep the map there and wait to see if anyone contacts us (I'm guessing either Mongoose Publishing [5] or Carolyn Bunce), or remove it entirely? Torn 17:48, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
It's possible a fair-use case could be made, but since I'm new here I thought it best to err on the side of caution, that's why I asked Chrysagon for his, after I couldn't find Clayton/Carolyn. --Eluna 20:33, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
I've spoken to Carolyn Bunce (Clayton's wife) via email - and she's said that Mongoose Publishing own all publishing rights to that map. We could ask Mongoose publishing for permission to use it, saying that we're a non-profit organisation; I'll take it down in the meantime. Torn 04:25, 3 November 2007 (CDT)

I contacted Mongoose Publishing about using the Clayton Bunce map for a guild website, they said it would be fine so long as credit is given and a link to Mongoose Publishing's website. I didn't mention this site, but I see no reason for you guys to have a problem using the map so long as you credit and link. All the best, -Hoobley 03:57, 21 November 2007 (CST)

Great news, I'll get a version up asap for the Hyboria page. :) Torn 03:59, 21 November 2007 (CST)

Difference between Wikiaoc.com and Aocwiki.org ?

What is the main difference between these two wiki web sites ? --Karouko 02:37, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

When i launched wikiaoc.com there was one more aoc wiki running, but was inactive. We filled content and made progress, then they (aocwiki) launched their own. They did some progress and merged it into wikia.com (wiki farm). I guess there were some localized wikis (German and Spanish as i remember) but they are dead now. Anyway, wikia offered us to merge into them but we wanted to keep an independent wiki (well, also, their terms were really bad). So now, we are 2 seperate wikis in competition :) Antimon 12:23, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
Ok, thanks for the information. :) --Karouko 16:42, 4 October 2007 (CDT)
Oh, I see a new wiki about AOC => http://aoc.enterwiki.net ^^ --Karouko 07:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
It's an old wiki, sorry. --Karouko 08:56, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
While it's not nice to plagiarize, both sites are governed by the GNU FDL, so I believe that means it's acceptable for each site to share content. --Eluna 13:03, 28 October 2007 (CDT)
Just to clear up a couple of things. The first english wiki about aoc was actually aoc.enterwiki.net (aocwiki.com), but I don't think the creators were big aoc fans (from my chats with them when they were still active), so they didn't generate much content. The second was aocwiki.org, a couple of weeks before this one. [6][7][8] (you can check the domainrecords as well if you don't trust those links:P). There might have been other ones that I'm not aware of, but none of signifigant size afaik.
We didn't join Wikia until over a year after we first started the wiki, the main reason being that we are fans of aoc, and wikia provides a great hosting service which enables us to focus on generating content instead of all the hosting hassels. But, I'm not here to discuss which is the better wiki, I admit that you've done some things better here, while I also believe that we've done some things better at aoc.wikia.com. Just wanted to clear up a few mistaken assumptions :)
In the beginning I liked having two separate wikis, seeing as both wikis had a limited number of editors, this gave the current editors an incentive for editing more to make their wiki the best one. However, now that we're closing in on the launch date, the userbase for both wikis are growing (I assume you've gained visitors lately as well) and having two separate wikis only serve to confuse new users(this discussion kind of explains it, doesn't it?:) ).
I'd like it if the whole community could work together in creating one wiki, removing the redundancy in the work we do on each site. I don't really see why you don't like Wikia, we've found the community to be absolutely awesome. I'd like to have a chat with you, you can reach me through my registered email here if you don't hate your "competition" :P Cheers Zido 22:51, 31 October 2007 (CDT)

I think that competition is healthy for the development and merging would lose that and another wiki would likely spawn in its place. I visit both, and glad to have two different perspectives on Age of Conan. Both of you keep up the good work. Perhaps you could focus on specific aspects of the game to further expand on each of your uniqueness. - Zason

I feel I should respond to this one now. Your compliments to both wiki's is appreciated Zason, having the wiki's "specialise" on certain features kind of defeats the purpose of having the wiki in the first-place IMO. You don't see 2 wowwiki.com's now do you? As much as that might be the "ideal" solution, having two wiki's to provide different perspective's on the same game just doesn't really work, there should only be one view (albeit different languages), and that view should be the facts which can and will only be stated one way. It'd be ideal to have both wiki's working on the one site, but *shrug* that's another story. Daworm 21:23, 13 November 2007 (CST)
Well we've suggested you merge into us a few times now, as we're advertising free (hosting and bandwidth is not an issue or a problem) - we feel it would provide the best experience for users, and would give you guys at least sysop access. But Zido doesn't seem to want to, and we don't want to merge into wikia for previously stated reasons. It looks like there will be two wikis refusing to merge for the forseeable future :) Torn 02:32, 14 November 2007 (CST)
If your statement "we're advertising free" was true, I wouldn't be making this comment. So you may want to revise that. If you are ad free why do you have google ads? That's a huge claim to make: Image:Advert.jpg :) Daworm 06:47, 15 November 2007 (CST)
It's a tiny, unintrusive text box that you can't see until you scroll down. Not like an entire column on the right hand side that takes up more than a page in vertical height, with coloured / flashing images etc. -> click Torn 08:32, 15 November 2007 (CST)
Well, it's supposed to be paying for hosting. (It does not :P) The point is, we are not doing this for advertising. That single tiny google ad is certainly not annoying and as you can see, it requires screenshots to be noticed :).
This is turning out to be a pointless discussion. I think wikia is doing a fine job but they are not doing this for the community, players or anyone else. They don't even care about AOC. It's a wiki "farm" you know, every single wiki is like any other thrash mob you farm for 20-30xp points. (It sounds like that to me anyway). I'm waiting for this game for a very long time, and i believe i'd do much more better job than any general purpose wiki farm. Because i love this game :) Antimon 08:45, 15 November 2007 (CST)
The discussion isn't pointless, we've figured out that we're very unlikely to merge. Yes, wikia has some more advertising, this pays for the technical team and the staff that take care of the non-AoC related stuff with the wiki. As for wikia doing it for the community, of course they are, that's livelyhood. Wikia earns money by creating communities.
It is a wiki farm, but that's not really a negative thing. They do care about the communities, and they help out with questions we might have, help us promote the wiki, and as a result, the game. I hope, and believe, that we've brought new people into the community through people looking at the wiki and thinking "this looks like a good game".
Not every wiki is a low level trash mob(continuing your analogy here), most notably, Wookiepedia and WoWWiki are huge wikis with large communities(there are more large wikis as well at wikia), and both are endgame bosses compared to both our wikis (even added together), that could be seen as lowbie mobs in this analogy. However, we're atm the biggest wikia about a non-released game (I think), with over 1000 content pages, and as we continue to grow I think we'll emerge as one of the more notable gaming wikis on Wikia.
I think all of us here have been waiting for this game for a long time, and we're all doing this because we really really want to play this game, and make sure that the community has the information they want. Ofcourse, as a fan of the game you're able to create better content about AoC than Wikia itself, but then again, Wikia aren't the ones creating the content, we, the fans are. However, I fail to see why you should be able to run a wiki better than people that do this for a living? (I'm not trashing you, or your ability to run a site here, simply a question)
Again, I'd urge you to try out a wikia wiki(obviously not the aocwiki as we're "competitors":P, but there are many to choose from), just so you can see that it's not as "horrible" as you might think. Join their IRC channel, talk to some members of the community, they're nice people, and they know what they're doing :)
I do not believe that two wikis about AoC will be able to keep it up in the long run, and it would be a shame to see either of the wikis become inactive wastelands. Both wikis have editors that have done a tremendous job to make information avalible, and seeing that work lay to waste probably isn't going to be fun (it could happen to either of us, if we never merge).
Torn mentioned that I didn't want to join this wiki. It's not that I don't want to work with you, and I'm certainly not holding back any of the other editors, or visitors, if they wish to join/visit you instead (or both, but for the editors I doubt that many will do much editing to both wikis except for adding their guilds).
My personal reasons as to why I don't want to merge into this wiki is simply that we ran the wiki ourself when we started out, and we decided that we were going to join Wikia. We noticed the difference, and in my opinion (and most of the people who were active during the move), the change was for the better. Not that the hosting itself was a hassle for such a small wiki, but becomming a part of a large community was a good change, and it's resulted in a better wiki with both more content, and more features than we had when we hosted it ourself.
At the moment, we're doing the same work twice on each wiki, which obviously isn't efficient, so I would like to work with you, but if you're "set in your ways", I guess there isn't much I can do about that. (woah this became a wall of text) Zido 18:59, 19 November 2007 (CST)

Race names (attn Torn)

The form (-ian) for races is an adjective. I believe when speaking of the races (or in article naming), it's more appropriate to use the plural noun form (-ians). I think this is supported by the usage on the official site: Stygians Cimmerians Aquilonians Not trying to nitpick, it just comes across a little awkward to me: "The Stygian race" vs "Stygians". --Eluna 13:33, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

As far as I know – I've been using (or have intended to use!) the plural form for each race when speaking about the race, or linking to the Stygian, Aquilonian, Cimmerian articles. I wasn't the author of the initial articles for each race; are you suggesting we rename the main articles for each race (Aquilonian, etc) to the plural form (e.g. Aquilonians)? I'd support that – it certainly seems more natural. Torn 13:56, 30 October 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, yes, that's what I mean. It's to me the most straightforward way of talking about races: Stygians, Cimmerians etc. The adjective form can refer to Stygian territory, Stygian culture, Stygian language, Stygian history, etc. I didn't want to just start renaming articles without discussing with you, since you're doing a lot of work on those.--Eluna 15:23, 30 October 2007 (CDT)
I vote we move the race articles Aquilonian, Pict, etc. to the plural form Aquilonians, Picts, so that there cannot be usage confusion between "Aquilonian", etc. as a noun and "Aquilonian" as an adjective.
I propose we use the following style guide when linking to them:
  • Aquilonia (as a noun, referring to the country) "Aquilonia is a country... " [[Aquilonia]] -> "Aquilonia is a country..."
  • Aquilonian (as an adjective, should link to country page) "Aquilonian guards" [[Aquilonia|Aquilonian]] -> "Aquilonian guards, an Aquilonian city"
  • Aquilonian (as a noun, referring to the playable race in AOC) "An Aquilonian ranger..." [[Aquilonians|Aquilonian]] -> "An Aquilonian ranger"
  • Aquilonians (the race, plural) "Aquilonians cannot be Mages" [[Aquilonians]] "Aquilonians cannot be Mages"
Thoughts on this? :) Torn 03:38, 31 October 2007 (CDT)
Sounds perfect to me! --Eluna 19:57, 31 October 2007 (CDT)
Done. Torn 05:01, 4 November 2007 (CST)

Sidebar Content

I've added a few new links to the sidebar - comments & suggestions welcome. Hopefully we'll have portals for Dungeons and other information when the game is released. Torn 04:42, 14 November 2007 (CST)

Advertising

I threw together a quick banner for anyone that wants to use it. I've also registered wikiaoc at aoctopsites.com - a little extra traffic can't hurt, right?

Image:Wikiaoc_banner.png

Should we be doing anything else to boost our google rank? Torn 13:17, 21 November 2007 (CST)

Google are also doing a $50 of adwords credit offer just FYI Torn 10:20, 22 November 2007 (CST)
I don't think that we can benefit from google advertising. (Maybe just for a week at release :) ) These sites are generally advertised by players ingame. Having newbie leveling guides and such might guarantee that for release days. Antimon 02:16, 21 December 2007 (CST)

New Fansite kit !

In the fansite kit, we have a lot of screenshot / artwork and medias. I purpose to upload all in WikiAOC EN (here) and we use the sharedfolder for the WikiAOC FR. Question to Antimon: 1 screenshot = 1Mb, too big ? --Karouko 08:19, 19 October 2007 (CDT)

Shouldn't be a problem, we have plenty of storage and bandwidth available :). (It might warn you about filesize, just ignore that.) Antimon 09:19, 19 October 2007 (CDT)

Class abilities pages

I propose we make "<classname>/Abilities" pages, complete with navbar to navigate between classes. For example, Barbarian/Abilities. The page will contain a table with basic abilities and another table with combos, so that all of the moves can be seen on one page. Torn 15:03, 10 October 2007 (CDT)

Ok, but what is the difference between a Combos and an Ability ? I don't see any informations about that. For example I create Abilities of Barbarian from Barbarian#Preview informations and Barbarian Combos from this page. We see Savage Rage on these two pages, so Savage Rage is an Ability and/or a Combos ? --Karouko 04:45, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
Oh, I think I was confused. I wasn't sure if these moves were combos or not. I realise now that they are combos, as normal attacks (directions) do not have names. You should probably merge these then.

Anyway, I've done a layout for classname/Abilities.. check out Conqueror/Abilities and Barbarian/Abilities. I think the abilities page should contain a list of all attacks, spells, auras, combos - getting the information from templates such as {{classname/Combos}} {{classname/Spells}} {{classname/Auras}} so that we do not duplicate information. What do you think? Torn 05:38, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

I Agree. Let's go for other classes ^^ --Karouko 05:40, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
Just to clarify:
I think "abilities" should mean any special move the class can do - including combos, auras, spells. So we should have a Priest of Mitra/Abilities that contains Template:Priest of Mitra/Spells and Template:Priest of Mitra/Combos. Then we will have a page like Barbarian/Abilities where the top navbar navigates between classes, and the 'combos' and 'spells' navbar lets you see only the combos or spells for each class. Torn 05:43, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
How about for the combos table we put only name, description, and level, leaving the very detailed information Weapon Requirement, Cooldown, Stamina Cost and 'Attack for when the user clicks on the combo name to read more detailed information? Torn 05:59, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
Why not, but some people like "table" with all informations to compare on a one view. I think on the these 2 possibilities is good :) For example Conqueror/Abilities, the aura table is good, and if you want add level information, make a sub title with Level 1, Level 20, and Level ???. --Karouko 06:12, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

Do all classes have combos? Or are some classes spell-casters only (so they have Spellweaving instead?) Torn 08:28, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

No idea for the moment. Sorry --Karouko 08:32, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
Yeah ! I Found ! We have no abilities. We have Combos or/and Spells. Combos is melee/distance actions and Spells actions. I think all classes have Combos and Spells. Combos need stamina and Spells need Mana.

Simple Formatting Help Incorrect?

The Help:Editing page indicates that the simple formatting codes for **italics** and ***bold*** should be available, but they don't seem to work. I would guess either the codes need to be enabled/fixed, or the help page updated? --Eluna 12:57, 27 October 2007 (CDT)

Here's bold and italic. They are working fine, they look alike due to our style though, using white text over dark bg. Antimon 15:21, 27 October 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, I didn't realize they were single-quotes and not asterisks! --Eluna 15:35, 27 October 2007 (CDT)

Proposal: WikiAOC Community Portal

Something like the French one which contains some helpful info on how to help WikiAOC, links to get started, a general TODO list on things we need done, etc. It can be a good starting point for WikiAOC community members that want to help out but are not sure where or how to go about doing this. I like Karouko's design a lot, I'll go ahead and create a copy of the French one. Torn 09:46, 15 October 2007 (CDT)

I'm thinking of WikiAOC:Community for the name. Torn 09:48, 15 October 2007 (CDT)
Good idea. WikiAOC:Community is a good name. Lot of information on fr:WikiAOC:Accueil can see at WikiAOC:Contribute. --Karouko 09:55, 15 October 2007 (CDT)
Ok made it - check it out. I've also done a WikiAOC:TODO list as part of it for things we're planning to do in the near future, or things we want done. Torn 11:27, 15 October 2007 (CDT)

Official French forums announcement

Karouko made an announcement thread on the French forums, which got stickied within 15 minutes by Crippus, the French CM. We should see an increase in new French users hopefully! :) Torn 09:31, 15 October 2007 (CDT)

Main Page - bad link

The link to Clan of Conan (official AOC newsletter) should be:
http://www.ageofconan.com/wsp/conan/frontend.cgi?func=publish.show&template=newsletter_archive&table=CONTENT&func_id=1065
not
http://www.ageofconan.com/conan/common/newsletter/betaAnnounce/index.html
Thanks! --Eluna 13:43, 27 October 2007 (CDT)

Fixed. Thanks alot. Antimon 15:19, 27 October 2007 (CDT)

TODO

  • What sort of articles should we be focusing on creating in the coming weeks (not including new videos or class previews)? Are there any categories of articles or information that anyone feels we need, current categories that need expanding on or even new features? Torn 11:02, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
I've just done The Acolytes's page -Torn 14:31, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
What format should we use for guild page names? Should we include `the', and 'guild' suffixes or not, for consistency reasons? -Torn 15:21, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
I say include them all. People complains about small stuff. :) Antimon 15:25, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
I'm all for including, but I guess if they choose an ambiguous or 'in-game' name that might conflict with lore or existing articles we append "(Guild)" to the page name. -Torn 16:06, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
  • Create Category:Game Aspects category and articles to detail single-player, MMO, seige PVP, PVE section of the game?
That would be great but i can't think of anything to write :) There's not too much info. We can split that Combat page and use some important FAQ entries to create new articles to fall in Category:Game Aspects category. There's not much info about single player part on site too. Anyway, we're gonna need to create seperated pages for all that content after release anyway. So preparing pages now is a good idea. Antimon 14:58, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
  • Replace the above 'satellite' Village pump image with an in-game water pump/fountain ;) -Torn 07:12, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

New FAQ information

There has been some new information from a Q&A session at a French video game convention - translation thread here (I translated it into English ;)). We should work in the new information into our FAQ section. Antimon: want to design a new FAQ article layout/structure? :)

We also have some vague info regarding guild town buildings:

  • Barracks (bonus to melee)
  • Alchemists towers (poison bonuses, good for rogues)
  • Universities (for mages)
  • Forge (quicker construction)
  • Temple (healing bonuses)
  • Defensive towers

Maybe we should create a PVP subcategory or article for 'Guild towns/cities' and give some information on the buildings, linking it in with the Prestige Classes?

Torn 06:57, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Skin change/New Design

This skin still needs tweaks, some color changes maybe but i think this is better than that default white monobook. New mainpage looks better. Comments are welcome, we can change it again or tweak colors etc. -Antimon 07:10, 21 April 2007 (CDT)

The new skin looks great! Torn 04:50, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Wow. I've been absent a while and I really like this new look! Sinakor 17:09, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
The skin looks great :) Can you make own WikiAoC logo too ? - Karouko 07:56, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

Printable Version style errors: The 'printable version' doesn't seem to override custom styles defined in Headings, Tables and Footnotes (such as category boxes). For example:

Torn 11:49, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

I'll update the printable style asap. Antimon 12:25, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Ok, there are some problems with printable css due to our default dark style. I made some changes but it looked worse so rolled back em all. I will try to use old monobook skin in printable pages instead of wikiaoc skin.. Or we can have a dark printable page to solve it all :) Antimon 19:26, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Tech beta

Here we go, funcom announced the tech beta for a couple hundred players has started. I think it's a "semi-closed" beta. It's still too early to gather info about game, this beta is about server pefroamance, gfx quality, networking problems and stuff like that. Anyway, its a milestone and there will be more players in beta soon, hope we can have some beta players to contribute. Ant btw, i think we need a discussion area for AOC only discussion. And keep this area for only site discussion. Any name proposals? AOC pump? :) Antimon 12:55, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

Agreed, how about AOC Talk? Torn 06:21, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
Yep, AOC Talk is good. Gonna create a header and place a link into sidebar. But no need to make it now, there's nothing to talk before a public beta :) Antimon 14:40, 7 May 2007 (CDT)

Rss and Atom feed don't work.

On the Special:Recentchanges pages, when I clic on "rss" or "atom" feed, I have an error: 

Erreur d'analyse XML : instruction de traitement XML pas au début d'une entité externe
Emplacement : http://wikiaoc.com/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss
Numéro de ligne 2, Colonne 1 :
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
^

Solution: "<?xml ..." must be on the first line, but on this file, it's at the second line. Please check this file ^^ --Karouko 09:11, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

Fixed. One of the extensions had an unnecessary newline, i've noticed that in html pages but did not think that they would cause problems in xml parsers. Thanks for reporting. Antimon 12:19, 4 October 2007 (CDT)

French wiki - fr.aocwiki.com

If Antimon want to create a french wiki, see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Wiki_family ;) --Karouko 06:19, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

A french wiki might be a good idea, if it's not too much bandwidth? We'd have to ask Antimon. Something like fr.wikiaoc.com/article? Torn 11:16, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
Yes, I wait the answer of Antimon :) --Karouko 11:37, 9 October 2007 (CDT)
I'm very positive about this. Gonna make the necessary arrangements as soon as possible. Antimon 15:36, 10 October 2007 (CDT)
I just installed http://fr.wikiaoc.com for testing. I'm still working on some url redirection issues and other stuff. Please register and check basic functionality and localization. :) Antimon 16:47, 11 October 2007 (CDT)
Great work :) --Karouko 04:29, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
Looks good so far, what page should we create as village pump WikiAOC:Le_Bistro? Should we have the main page similar to the English version? Also, when should we announce to the French community? I think we need to get some French community members on-board ASAP to start translating/creating articles in French and become the premier French AOC wiki Torn 06:14, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
I created WikiAOC:Le_Bistro for the village pump. Antimon: can Karouko and I get bureaucrataccess there to change the navigation bars on the left? (Also, could you tell me how I can do that, I've not used bureaucrat functionality before ;)) Torn 06:25, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
Ok, i just gave you guys Bureaucrat access. You can check system messages at fr:Special:Allmessages. Compare it with english wiki's messages Special:Allmessages and make necessary changes. I'm gonna move "other languages" box above ads, between search and toolbox or under toolbox as it's suggested in fr:WikiAOC:Le Bistro. And i will set up a image repository link from French wiki to here so you will be able to use images from here, but also, you will be able to upload new versions of images or other images there, isolated from here. Using [[fr:Something]] here or [[en:Something]] in French wiki should create interwiki language links. Check anything you wish there while it's not announced officially, then we can post an announcement. Antimon 08:49, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
Cool ! And "a image repository link from French wiki to here" is a great idea ! Thanks a lot Antimon. --Karouko 09:00, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
I tried making the 'other languages' box by editing MediaWiki:Sidebar, but couldn't figure out where the 'search' and 'toolbox' boxes are kept? Is there a list of all MediaWiki pages, or a guide to show where search/toolbox/ads are rendered? Torn 09:52, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
Also, fr.wikiaoc.com needs the same favicon.ico as wikiaoc Torn 09:54, 12 October 2007 (CDT) (Done)
They are hard coded in source files, i guess only navigation content can be edited via wiki itself. I moved "other languages" box between search and toolbox in both wikis. I also copied favicon.ico and configured image repository link. Any image here can be used in French wiki now. Antimon 11:38, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
Ok thanks. I suggest we have an 'other languages' link on the english wiki too. Torn 11:44, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
It's there, but it's dynamic. To display it in a page (say Main Page) a french interwiki link should be in the source. For example, add [[fr:Accueil]] somewhere in Main Page and it will render that box with french version link. Every article should be linked expilicitly to it's French version. [[en:XXX]] works on French wiki to link here and [[fr:XXX]] works here to link there. (Does not work on talk pages) Antimon 11:52, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
Oh, ok I see :). How would I link to an English image - to avoid duplicating images & wasting bandwidth? Or would I have to use the whole "http://wikiaoc.com/Image:" url? Torn 12:05, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
Just use the name of image as if it is in French wiki. If it cannot find that image in French wiki's local repository, it will try to locate it in English wiki repository and use. Antimon 12:13, 12 October 2007 (CDT)
Yes, See fr:Captures d'écran (Général). All screenshots are from wikiaoc.com and no upload on fr.wikiaoc.com. Great work Antimon !--Karouko 12:28, 12 October 2007 (CDT)

WikiAOC publicity

Clan of Conan Issue #7 - wikiAOC featured!

If you haven't seen the newsletter, please check this online version. We are one of the featured sites this month. Yay! :) And thanks to Funcom.. congrats to aocwiki too. Antimon 16:02, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

Good work, all :) now let's stay in front of that other site ;) Torn 10:06, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
I don't want to comment about another wiki, since i think they are working hard to achieve something too. But i noticed something on their mainpage today. This: "[[WikiAOC:Contribute]]". Well, copy/paste is something but even keeping namespaces? :) -Antimon 10:23, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
Heh, that's just cheeky ;) evidence here Torn 10:29, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
A celebration/discussion thread to raise awareness has been created in the official forums here.. I hope to see some new users! :) Torn 10:56, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

Main Page Discussion

I've created a 'WikiAOC:Contribute' page to help new users who have just signed up and who might not know how to use a wiki-based system. This could be expanded on: asking users to act responsibly and guard against vandalism, or put a link to a WikiAOC:Etiquette page explaining the general theory/issues behind wiki projects and expected behaviour of participants. Torn 08:04, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

WikiAOC:Etiquette (or WikiAOC:Policy) is a good idea, just a few guidelines like "do not vandalise, do not spam, preview before posting, redirect only when needed, sign your comments, no personal attacks, revert pages if needed etc..". We shall have that page protected and add a note like "To add something into this list, please write that to Talk page". To compile more policies over time. Antimon 11:41, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

I've changed the order of the elements on the main page - putting news to the top to highlight new features. -Torn 14:33, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

To be honest, that was a bad move. Think it looked abit better when the links to the actual content was on top. --Uncron 07:33, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
Actually, I agree - this is a content site, and content should come first, especially if it makes the main page quicker to navigate and let users go where they want in the site. I'll change it back around. -Torn 07:40, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

How often does the {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} variable update? It's certainly not immediately, and has been stuck at 126/133 the last few times I've authored articles. -Torn 06:27, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

That variable updates on each edit but main page is cached on both server and client so if you cannot see the updated counter, hit "ctrl+f5" on mainpage to refresh it from server. BTW i noticed something, mediawiki counts "good" articles by determining if they are in main namespace, then check if they are not redirects and then check if their sources contains any "[[". For example most of our guild pages doesn't contain "[[" because there are no links and category is assigned from GuildPage template so most of them are not counted. Antimon 06:34, 10 May 2007 (CDT)
Bah, is there a sneaky way to get them to count towards the total? Doesn't seem fair that they don't ;) -Torn 06:37, 10 May 2007 (CDT)
I could update the stats database manually :) There's a initstats script in mediawiki installation which refreshes the site stats table and that one checks if the page is empty instead of looking for "[[". I think i'm gonna run that. Antimon 06:43, 10 May 2007 (CDT)
Done. Antimon 06:52, 10 May 2007 (CDT)
Looks much healthier! Torn 06:58, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

I placed a "xxx days to release" countdown at the main page. (Top right) It's counting down to 30 October (announcement). But i'm not sure if that was a good idea anymore. I don't expect game to be released at 30th october :) What do you think, shall we keep it there? Antimon 19:53, 10 June 2007 (CDT)

Yeah keep it there :) I think we should use the Image:ClockGlass.png instead, as it seems to fit more with the conan theme. I'm sure they will release 30th Oct, I don't think I could wait much longer ;) Torn 04:53, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
I tried ClockGlass first but it's small version looks like a chalice or something like that :) Here: . I've been looking for a wider hourglass icon but no luck yet. And thanks to Blizzard, i don't expect games to be released on time anymore :) Hope Funcom can make it. Antimon 05:30, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
How about ? Torn 12:45, 11 June 2007 (CDT)
Good job but still doesn't look like a hourglass to me :) Its a detailed icon and when we shrink it to 20ish pixels, it doesn't look good anymore. What do you think? Antimon 12:32, 12 June 2007 (CDT)
Agreed, it looses a lot of detail. Stick with the current one I guess until we find or make a new icon! Torn 12:38, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

URL Parsing

Any chance of adding a URL pattern that assumes "index.php?title=", even if one is not present? For example on wowwiki.com you can do http://www.wowwiki.com/Karazhan as well as http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Karazhan, the first one looks neater IMO, and they use that format for all of their links. -Torn 03:57, 11 May 2007 (CDT)

Wowwiki's short url approach is pretty but has some problems. It conflicts with the physical directory structure (http://www.wowwiki.com/images) we can use wikipedia's approach like: www.wikiaoc.com/wiki/Main_Page. This is easier to maintain. Antimon 05:18, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
Also, using wowwiki style urls requires some ugly tricks on apache, they are using lighttpd as the webserver, it might be easier there. So i say lets go for "www.wikiaoc.com/wiki/<article name>" syntax. Antimon 15:08, 11 May 2007 (CDT)
Ok let's go for that. mod rewrite might come in handy. Torn 07:42, 12 May 2007 (CDT)
I'm planning to move wiki into a more private server. Where i can install any piece of software we need. And also we can use apache aliases for a faster short url engine. I prepared a rewrite rule but i'm away from home, visiting some relatives and i don't like to make any changes on this laptop with an unstable net connection :) Gonna handle these as soon as i return home. Antimon 09:38, 13 May 2007 (CDT)
I'm back (at last) and planning to move the site in a week. Hopefully without any downtime :) Then we can use short urls. Antimon 17:18, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
Welcome back! Torn 04:33, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
I love the short URLs, any chance of getting the 'edit', '+', 'history', etc. commands at the top of pages to use the new short URL format too? Torn 06:30, 2 June 2007 (CDT)


New contributors inc?

I've just made a post on the official forums, asking for people's opinions on game-related wikis, and gave a small link to this site. Hopefully we'll get some constructive dialogue going, and maybe a few more people to help out! Forum thread here Torn 06:45, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

I believe WikiAOC has been accepted as a good source by AOC community, specially in last 2 months. We had pageview/hit jumps and keep growing statistics. It's been almost a year now and WikiAOC is mature enough. We still need to encourage people to contribute, this forum thread is a good step. Hope to can get some valuable feedback. -Antimon 07:42, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Thing is, there might be confusion on where to go and contribute, where people actually will seek information. wikiaoc or aocwiki? Silly to have two wikis compete and all that. And technically one wiki can just copy call content to the other, essentially making them identical except for the visual.--Uncron 02:09, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
I think competition is healthy, and we're definitely in front in terms of content, design and active users. I am positive that after the beta and after the NDA is lifted we'll surge in front :) Torn 04:16, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
I think the competition has really insipred some people to contribute, which is great. But i kind of just had to reply to this. In terms of content, WikiAoC is definately not in front - that is just not true, and if you checked the other Age of Conan wikis out there, you'd know. In terms of design, well, that is a subjective question, and it will be up to each user to decide which wiki they preffer. In terms of active users, it depends on what you define as active. I don't think anybody can dispute that aoc.enterwiki as way more users than WikiAoC though. Zido 08:16, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Made a new forum post, this one got a lot more replies and views - we've had quite a few new users today and I bet a good number of site hits as a result :) -Torn 15:10, 9 May 2007 (CDT)


Clan of Conan - Issue #8 - wikiAOC the only wiki site listed

At the bottom most part of the newsletter is a 'Community: Age of Conan fan sites' listing. Not only is WikiAOC one of the few sites listed, it is the _only_ AoC wiki site listed! Torn 06:28, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Todo

  • 'ClassTable' template too wide? Can we restrict the width for larger resolutions, it's a little hard to scan accross from the archetype to the class. -Torn 05:32, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
I made it to use 75em max width. Which lets it shrink as much as needed on smaller resolutions but not grow more than 75em on larger resolutions. Antimon 14:54, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
  • News archive for front page news entries, using a similar (but full page) layout + icon as the main page news box.
Agreed, not in an archive format actually. Let's just keep copies of news entries in WikiAOC:News. Antimon 14:26, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
Done, WikiAOC:News created. -Torn 14:57, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
  • Guild website pages/template system for guilds wanting to create a wiki page for themselves, and for those who are not able to acquire custom hosting. (Discussion here)
Right, Antimon and myself have gone some way towards implementing this, check out the Guild Pages Category. I'll be sure to plug this on the forums! I've written some introductory blurb and guidelines. Torn 12:43, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
Check this out. We can contact these guildmasters or i can even create articles for all that guilds myself. That would be a good gesture for all that guilds and would be a good start for our guild pages. Antimon 13:18, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
Ok cool, let's hammer out the guild pages according to that thread, then I'll see about contacting the official forum mods and advertising the 'guild page creation' feature :) Torn 13:43, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
I've updated the Acolytes guild page to use the new template, and made a temporary banner from their site. What do you think? Torn 14:21, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
Looks great. I'll start creating other guild pages in a couple of hours. Will try to find their banners, if no banner exists, i'll just place a big header with guild name. Antimon 14:26, 8 May 2007 (CDT)

Acronyms vs 'Common MMORPG Terms'

There's a lot of overlap between these two concepts, I'm not too sure if these two categories should be merged, or if Acronyms should become a sub-category of Common MMORPG Terms. - Torn 04:50, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

I'm going to go ahead and move all relevant Acronyms to the Common MMORPG Terms category using the format described on the Talk page. I'll delete the Acronym category after, and future MMORPG acronyms should follow this format. Torn 12:04, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Its not necessary to remove Acronym category. Just mark them with 2 categories, we can move all to Common MMORPG Terms and still keep Acronyms category. -Antimon 12:11, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Good point, I'd forgotten it was possible to have two categories ;). Is there a way to rename pages other than deletion/recreation? For example I'd like to rename the Afk page to AFK (capitals) to be more consistent with other acronyms, without using a redirect, or is a redirect the best option here? Torn 12:17, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Use move, it leaves a redirect in moved article and moves content to new title. Just moved Afk to AFK. Then get rid of the old redirect articles if you want :) Antimon 12:18, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Done, the Acronyms should all fall under the 'Common MMORPG Terms' category and should all have a similar style. Torn 12:47, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Site Direction

Is there a list of staff / 'aocpedians', and who's in charge of the overall direction of the aocwiki? (I'm thinking it's you, Antimon ^^). I'd like to offer my services as an author/admin, I know I'm going to be playing this game a lot throughout beta and release! I'm guessing the plan is to wait for the beta, and to keep the content up-to-date. - Torn (talk · contr)

There are 3 admins (me, Lizarin and Sinakor) atm. Only admins can physically delete and protect pages. We want to have all decisions (but technical ones) to be made by whole community, and will make sure to have things done. And of course we consider raising user rights of active members of community. We should give people necessary tools to help if they want to, so as soon as i ask Lizarin's opinion, i can raise your user rights. Will inform you about updates. - Antimon (talk · contr)


I'm thinking of making an 'FAQ' page, just copying what the devs have said about AOC from their site. Something similar to: [http://www.planetochina.com/conanfaq.htm] - Torn (talk · contr)

We already have a Faq article but its not maintained for a long time. Just replace it if its outdated or add newer faq entries. Antimon 12:07, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
Just checked your link and yes it has much more information. We can have a categorized faq page maybe. Like Faq/Combat, Faq/Guilds etc.. And have main FAQ entries in Faq article itself. -Antimon 12:16, 20 April 2007 (CDT)
I updated our Faq pages with all faq articles from aoc community portal. Thanks for the heads up :) -Antimon 18:42, 22 April 2007 (CDT)

Human validation

Is this CAPTCHA (What is 45-5 questions on edit pages) thing really necessary even for registered members? I guess it's used to fight bot spams but if a member spams, you simple can block them. Sphiromi 14:29, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Good point, it should be in place for non-registered (or users that have not logged in yet), but could probably be removed for logged-in users.
P.S. welcome to the site :) Torn 14:31, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Members will not be asked that questions anymore. Only unregistered edits with new links will be checked. Antimon 14:40, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Testing.. Google link. Wow, thanks :) Sphiromi 14:42, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Village pump archives

We shall keep archives of village pump discussions. I will create first archive page (Gonna name it Archive01, when it gets bloated we create Archive02...). Please copy old discussion topics to archive before removing from here. Antimon 14:06, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Scope: wikiaoc and lore

Am wondering where we draw the line between game content and lore, as there are already a fairly comprehensive wiki dealing with conan [9]. If articles are made regarding aspects of the conan universe that aren't in the game, should we put a 1 sentence description and then link to their Conan Wiki articles? Torn 19:08, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

Well, if something doesn't have a place in game. Just a superficial info with links to detailed references should be fine. Let's just focus on game :) Antimon 19:26, 27 April 2007 (CDT)

Main page Discussion

Having article index and register link there, at the top header seems to be a good idea. Just made some style changes. There is a simple verticle align problem but doesn't look bad. Gonna have a solution later. Btw, main page is not compatible with IE6 due to png alpha transparency support. I guess since IE7 released for a long time, it's ok to drop IE6 support. -Antimon 06:38, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Agreed, I think MMORPG players would be more open to using other browsers such as Firefox, Opera etc. Torn 06:42, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

Main Page sidebar: I'm not sure where this is located, but I'd quite like to change the 'navigation', 'search' and 'toolbox' headers to use Capitalised first letters, purely from an aesthetic point of view. Torn 13:03, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

I believe we should keep that kind of standard wiki characteristics. You know, that sidebar captions have always been lowercase on all wikis, people got used to them, they might actually look better capitalised but we should keep the wiki spirit. Or maybe, i'm just getting old :) Antimon 13:21, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Was not aware.. I guess my new-ness to the wiki format is showing somewhat ;). Purely out of interest, where is that particular template kept? Torn 13:27, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Under Mediawiki namespace. Like MediaWiki:Sidebar. Whole list is here. Not sure if you have access to edit, can be Bureaucrat access, i can grant if you need to edit. Antimon 13:45, 24 April 2007 (CDT)
Appears to be Bureaucrat access, I don't think I really need that atm ;) Will bear in mind, thanks. Torn 14:09, 24 April 2007 (CDT)

New Server

I just moved the entire site to a new and better server. Also made some software updates/changes. Nameserver changes might need some time but we can use this ip address as a temporary solution for now. Here are some changes:

  • Updated mediawiki to latest version 1.10.0.
  • Updated php/mysql to latest stable releases.
  • We are now using imagemagick instead of gd for all image manipulation needs. Imagemagick produces better images and runs faster.
  • Installed ParserFunctions.
  • Installed diff3 engine. If two or more users makes changes on the same page at the same time, this will try to merge changes. Not conflicting ones ofcourse.

Please notify us if you notice any style/language issues. Antimon 14:20, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Update:
Antimon 07:34, 30 May 2007 (CDT)
Looks good, I like the very short url :) Torn 14:18, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
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