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New Server

We just moved to our new box. Everything should be running ok but let me know if you notice anything weird. Antimon 10:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Feels a bit more responsive :) Torn 15:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Search Engine Optimisation

Might be better to have the main page as wikiaoc.com/the-age-of-conan-wiki instead of "Main_Page", to increase google rank, etc. Either way, it can't hurt :) Torn 08:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Gamespot PVP weekend - lots of new info?

Might be a good idea to update the wiki with the class spells / class trees, etc. from the PVP weekend? NDA regarding this event has been lifted. Torn 16:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Main page change

Currently, the main page is a bit.. meh. It gives the player all its info, but it is very heavily text based with little love for the eye and growth after release. Ive been taking the time to make a proposed main page that hopefully will answer some of these probs. User:Damarus/Idea Its laid out in a simple format, using images and spaccing to be visually smoother. It has links to to main catagories of content and the most looked at pages.

Thats also where It needs improvement. While some of this content is filler (to show you guys what its capable of), those red linkys need to go away. So, just feedback it up, and if you do enjoy it, talk about some ideas for some of the links in the box's. --Damarus 16:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

I like it - I think we should work the existing content into it and see how it looks. I've asked a few people and they've all said it looks better than the current one! Torn 18:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I have most everything included from the main page in there i think, the main problem right now is for things like the equipment box. We don't have much info on the current things in the game, the only info i know of is from this page [Here]. I dont think we should list out all the types of armors and weapons like i currently had, maybe some general overviews like armor, weapons, crafting materials, and other items. If this page were to go up as MAIN, we would have to figure out what links we will have in there and create those pages. --Damarus 21:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Great job, looks good. I have one suggestion, aren't those section caption borders too bright (#7BC)? They look like they are not a part of the page to me. I tried the standard border color we use ewerywhere, looked good to me, but it might be just me :) Could you try alernate colors, maybe a little darker tones? BTW, did http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page had a similar design on their main page before? I remember something familiar but not sure though. Anyway, let's keep working on it, youre doin a great job. Antimon 21:22, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, and yes, your right about the border, I already changed it to its normal color. I can look at a few others too. As for the idea behind its look, I actually looked at a bunch of wikis and a wiki design site since I was new to it, and it got me started. One of the ideas I saw was for the 6 boxes, although I wrote all the code to make the box and gave it our specialities on it (rounded edges, padded it up) and stuff. Hopefully it dosn't look like another wiki! --Damarus 00:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Nope, looks unique :). The only queries I have are how we're going to fit in a nice amount of information, such as news entries, at 1024*768 (well, maybe this is a good thing and we need to cut down the amount of on the main page in the first place!), and the rendering of the text in the top-left box in the latest version of Opera looks a little wonky at 1024x res.(pic here). Torn 08:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Well i don't see information problems, I have all the current main plus lots more in my proposal. the only thing cut short was the news, I have the first 3 things listed and then a link to the archive. I don't see this as a problem, since the first three things are the most looked at and since its a wiki, news isnt the biggest thing peolpe wanna see, its your expansive databases. To get the ball rolling on the links, how do you guys propose the equipment box go? I don't know if I am so sure about how its set up now, but we gotta figure out these red links. I will look at the first box, dunno why opera is doing that... --Damarus 09:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright smart people, what do we do next on it, If none of ya gunna say the current links need to be changed I can work on making those pages.. What do you think. If not, tell me what links you want and what needs to be changed :) --Damarus 04:33, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Alright guys, Im not gonig to be able to work on this wiki (for reasons unknown.. to everyone but me :P ) So I'm going to take down my mina page source and its respectable test pages. E-mail me if you want the Idea and whatnot. thanks, and keep up the awesome wiki work! --Damarus 18:34, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I really like the new main page you were working on. So if ya don't mind, I'll restore it, and rest of us can mess around with it, if ya don't mind. Especially since the large amount of class work I was getting has dissipated and I have free time again. Anyways, take care of yourself man. Dragon Andante 03:57, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Still think we should use User:Damarus/Idea as the main page, it's better than the current one we have :) Torn 07:47, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Combo, spell, etc info

I created 2 templates and modified Barbarian combo listings to use them as an example. It works like this; for example Butcher page fetches a template named {{Combo {{{1|info}}} into it, which means, since parameter "1" is not set to anything, it includes Template:Combo info. But when you include Butcher into somewhere like this: {{:Butcher|table}} it includes Template:Combo table with same arguments. So, whenever someone edits the page Butcher he also changes all table listings and maybe other uses too. This makes it possible to create templates like "Combo something" and using them via "Comboname|something" with same information source. I thought it would be easier to maintain these listings this way. What do you think? Shall we start creating same kind of templates for spells, feats etc too? Antimon 14:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Check Template:Barbarian/Combos for the table listing. Antimon 15:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

That is awesome :) yeah I am 100% for creating spells, feats etc. entries for this, it seems extremely versatile. Can we also flesh out one for items? I'd like to see something like {{:item|cotton cap|box}} create an item box like on the right of this page. The template language is quite powerful, we could do other things like |table too for various formats and needs. Torn 10:17, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure we can use it for items too (we can use the tooltip art of game after NDA is lifted). Then we are using this for Spells, Items, Feats, Combos, and any other possible listings. I'm also working on some javascripts for mainpage (a little ajax touch). Also, i have a bot prototype, which i coded to fetch information easily. Funcom provides xml data for AO fuilds etc so we can use a bot to fill information from their feeds. (Or even a little forum watch etc). Let's get ready to release. :) Antimon 18:42, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

New here/Norwegian translation?

Hi guys. I'm new and so far all I have done so far is just wrong. So if you could delete the Asgard and Hyperborea pages so that they are red again that would be great. I started writing something and then found out that you don't want lore stuff only in game stuff, but maybe in a category for it's own so, well, it just became wrong.

But I really want to help out in some way, something to do before AoC comes out, so I thought maybe I could translate into Norwegian? DarimQ 16:51, 2 January 2008 (CST)

Hi there! I think that's a great idea - more languages are always better :). I'll send an email to antimon and ask him if he wants to set up no.wikiaoc.com :) Torn 06:36, 3 January 2008 (CST)

Ok Antimon just installed http://no.wikiaoc.com if you want to register there DarimQ we can give you bureaucrat access and make a main page design that looks like the English one or French one, or something in between! Torn 17:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Great, registration is done! Is there anything I have to do apart from copy+pasting from the page sources etc. and translating? DarimQ 17:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, i just gave you bureaucrat access there. Just a reminder, you can use any image uploaded here in norwegian wiki too. No need to upload duplicates. Also you can place inter-language links using "[[en:XX]] and [[no:XX]]" between articles. You can just copy content from here and translate or create a different structure for articles. I guess Torn will be helping on Main Page template.

Thanks and welcome to team :) Antimon 17:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Should I translate the names of other pages aswell? Like Clan Of Conan and By Mitra? Or maybe I should start emailing with Torn?

Nope, just content. By the way, don't try to make a strict translation, just translate what you think necessary and crop the rest. I'd start from race articles and then classes. Give basic information at first. You are not depended on english wiki, you can use other sources or design ideas. It's your site :) Feel free to do your translation as you wish. Antimon 18:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok I've copied the french source for the main page to use as a template (you can replace it with the English design, or create your own main page design - completely up to you!). I've left instructions on how to edit the template on the norweigan 'Village Pump' (('WikiAOC:Prosjektportal') so that you can start filling in the main page with content you want, but I'm afraid I don't speak any Norweigan :D. I guess use article naming conventions from the Norweigan Wikipedia for names like 'archives', Template ('Mal' I think?) for use making pages named like Mal:blah, which can be imported with {{blah}}.
Your English is very good so feel free to ask us questions here, or on the WikiAOC:Prosjektportal of on the Norweigan site. :) Torn 18:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Ohh, I started off the wrong way I see. I copy+pasted the english main page source and translated that, was half way through :P But I think your way will be easier. Ohh and your norwegian is good so far Torn, at least Mal is right. :D DarimQ 18:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Antimon - get a main page with a few simple links, and then work on classes, the world, and things like that first. Feel free to copy source from the French and English versions (I think the French one looks very good, Karouko has come up with some nice layouts) and I am pretty sure you can use the same [[Image:blah.jpg]] commands as we do. Main thing to do now will be to edit the 'Template:Stub' template to something like the English one ([[Mal:_stub?_]] in norweigan ^^), create a naming system for templates and categories etc then start building info :) Torn 19:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

You mean I should first make templates? I don't mind as I am learning HTML at school aswell, so this is just perfect :D Another thing, todo is what we as a community should do?DarimQ

Don't forget to sign ~~~~ your edits :). Well, I would suggest just copying the source from the English and French templates, and changing things inside of it so it works with the rest of the Norweigan wiki. I'd edit the Stub template first (copy the source from the english Template:Stub) and name it Mal:<stub in norweigan>, so you can use {{ }} to import it. Then copy the source for pages for the races, classes etc. Start off small, and make a plan for what you will do. I just put the 'todo' section as an example section, so you can see how it works. I'd change it, I don't think todo belongs on the main page :) Torn 19:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

And to make the template I have to make a new page? Where to I make that then. :S

Nevermind I found a way DarimQ 19:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Just type in the page you want to make in the address bar :). I made an example page with a line of information that uses the Mal:Stubbe template. Torn 20:18, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

So I did the Stub template right? I guess I'll stop worrying about things not working. The most important thing is that the links etc. work, and I'm sure I can fix it later if it doesn't. Am I right in that you are changing the english main page to something more like the french? Still figuring out what to have on the main page, and I can't make out what the french things are, so if you are remaking the english one can you tell me what you will have? So far I have the summary/summaire part (I absolutely love that), news and external links. DarimQ 20:25, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Alright it's coming along nicely now, just need a couple more things and I'm done. Put in the Summaire thing from the french site (who made it?) and now I have a problem (go to the norwegian site and you will see the problem in a second, especially if you compare no with fr). The small pictures won't work. And it is written just like I did the todays picture. So my guess is that the images have to be on www.wikiaoc.com and not fr. no. or any other subsite. DarimQ 23:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I see what you mean. Maybe Antimon can change that behaviour so that it looks in all image repositories? In the meantime feel free to upload pictures to the www. version of wikiaoc Torn 23:49, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

edit - they were already uploaded here Torn 23:59, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! But now I have another problem which I think Antimon is the best helper for it since it's his layout. But if you want you can have a look at it :P Well, more than one error actually. I have set up (just as Antimon) Portal:Character/Races, but the wiki insists on having template infront (template:portal...). And in the edit screen there is no template (mal in norwegian) word at all. That's one anyway. Two, to the left of the normal edit button (rediger in norwegian) there is this other edit button with [ ] around ([rediger]). Click it once and it centers on the bar, click it again and it goes into some edit thing that I have no idea what is for, seems useless to me. Might be a common problem, who knows? Oo DarimQ 00:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Edit - Come to think of it, I've skipped the category footer some times (Catégorie:WikiAOC). Maybe I need it?

Sorry for asking so much but just so I am sure. Each time I use : it splits the parts of the page. Like WikiAOC:Portal:Races:Aquilonians? DarimQ 07:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Various Problems

The Norwegian part is getting along fine now, although there are a couple of things I either can't find or can't get to work.

How do I add things to the navigation panel? Like the races and portals links you have.
How do I make new boxes like the ones in our new layout design? If it's to complicated to explain can someone please add two horizontal boxes over and under the boxes that are already there at Portal:Prestisjer, the text should be inside the top box.
If any of you can make four example pictures over the boxes that are already there, similar width at Portal: Klasser I would be thankful.
Someone should make a thing that changes according to a list of things (pictures for example) every 24 hours, or another set of time. That would make it easier to have "picture of the day" etc. Just an idea.
aoc.wikia.com now has Norwegian aswell. It looks thin but it means I have competition, damn it!
Can Karouko make Norwegian versions of the Races buttons? I haven't been able to install Adobe so I don't have anything else to make them with. Names are: Aquilonere, Cimmerianere, Stygianere.
How do you link with pictures?

Ok enough questions for now. I think WikiAOC will really be, at least, one of the best AOC wikis. So far we are when it comes to design, in my opinion. DarimQ 03:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

To add things to the sidebar, edit MediaWiki:Sidebar.
Making new boxes requires a little bit of html / wiki editing, I'll see if I can add two empty ones for you so you can see how they are done
An automatic 'picture of the day' or more general source 'cycle' for a page every X hours would be a cool idea, not sure if it's possible or feasible though in a wiki. You'd have to ask Antimon :)
aoc.wikia's norweigan wiki has been around for ages, and doesn't have much info on it. Don't worry about them :)
You could use Image:Aquilonians.jpg, Image:Cimmerians.jpg, Image:Stygians.jpg from the English wiki and use HTML <h3>s just above them to link to the articles instead.
I don't think you can link with pictures, as pictures automatically link to their own pages. Again, maybe Antimon can shed some light on this :)

Torn 10:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok I've put in a horizontal box in the prestige class page. Is that what you wanted? You can copy and paste that section to produce more boxes, look in the source. Torn 10:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes that's exactly what I wanted. And about picture links, Antimon has done it already. At his races portal the pictures link to their respective races. And just an idea, how is it the countdown works? Isn't that something that happens every 24 hours? Maybe there is a way to rewrite it so that it uses pictures instead.. DarimQ 12:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

The countdown (-49 days to release!) is an expression in wiki syntax ({{#expr: ({{#time:z|25 March 2008}} - {{#time:z}}) + (365 * (2008 - {{#time:Y}})) }}). I don't think you could alter it to read from a list of images; it's quite limited in what it can do. Ah for the images, it's Karouko who has done the french pages. I'll have a look at his template and see if I can make one for the norweigan site. Torn 13:40, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok I've played around with the template, and copied it to the Norweigan site here. Rename it to a more norweigan name instead of 'ImageLink'. It doesn't work well in Opera or Firefox though :( Torn 14:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually it's probably better to use ImageMaps instead of that template - I'll show you what I mean on the norweigan race page. Torn 14:13, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok I've done what I mean here, but there is a strange 'Om dette bildet' link, and I am not sure why that is there. Have to ask Antimon I guess :S Torn 14:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah it's because of a missing 'http://www.wikiaoc.com/Extensions/ImageMap/desc-20.png' image. If Antimon could replace that image by a 1*1px transparent png file that would be great, or change the settings of imagemap not to look in /Extensions/, as that URL scheme doesn't seem to match the directory on the server. Torn 15:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Weird.. I added a "desc none" line into your imagemap definition to get rid of it, gonna check it though. To get linked images you have to place a redirect into image description page. I mean, just redirect the image's page to whatever you want so you have an image link effect :) To cycle images.. Well, it can be done via parserfunctions extension. Using the hour of day you can have 24 images cycled. Or the day of month to have an image each day. Gonna check it and then i'll let you guys know. Antimon 15:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

What it means is 'About this picture', and it works fine with me. Directs me to the picture page thing. But yes, should not be there. But the names should be somewhere, either around or on the pictures. Could be people don't know that the first picture is of aquilonians etc. And then for another thing, the boxes you made at Portal:Prestisjer worked and I've done what I wanted, but there is still some problems which I hope you can fix with ease. The "main text" is missing that invisible border thing (that pushes the text slightly inwards, away from the edge, like the smaller boxes have). It also has a tiny bit of the name bar there on the bottom (how it got on the bottom is still a mystery to me, seeing the coding is above the "main text"), and the same goes for the comparison, only there it's on the top. Thanks for helping me out! =) DarimQ 15:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Quick Edit - I see you have fixed the races thing now, at least it works for me in firefox :P

I tried to add race names under pictures you used in no:Portal:Raser. Looks fine on ie7 but not sure about rest, i'm using a friend's laptop now so i don't wanna install anything :). Antimon 15:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Works fine in firefox, but the color (default blue) goes into the pictures making it abit hard to read, so if there is a way to change that, to white perhaps? DarimQ 16:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't think we can without doing manual <a href="blah" style="color: white;">html links</a> - which we can't in wiki. Maybe Antimon could create a template for it? Something like {{link|url=blah|colour=white}}? Torn 16:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about some way to outline texts (have an example in my sandbox) but we should be able to have coloured links too :) I gotta go now so gonna check it later. Sorry about that. Antimon 16:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's a custom styled link. We can create a template but i really gotta go now. :) Antimon 16:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok made a template. How do you say 'link' in Norwegian? I'll make the page :) Torn 16:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Done -> no:Portal:Raser Looks quite good now :). You might want to edit no:Mal:Lenke to use norweigan words instead of 'link', 'text', 'size', 'colour', but up to you Torn 16:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Category Pages vs. Portal Pages?

Category pages: are these enough as the main way users get to articles, or should we be creating more 'informational' portal pages with a paragraph or two about the topic, small content exctracts and links to the articles? For example, Gods vs. Category:Gods.

I personally think portal type pages are a more user-friendly way for users to navigate around the site, and that category pages are great for experienced users who want a quicker way to get around sibling articles (and jump around the parent/child categories). However, is making a portal-type page for each category too much work, or too 'over the top'? Where would you use one, instead of another?

I guess what I'm asking is how much should we force the user to interact with the site in a 'wiki' fashion (browsing articles via categories, etc), and how much should we mask the basic wiki structure with a more traditional (and possibly more visually appealing?) web style of interaction (whilst keeping everything in categories, so that users can navigate using categories as well)?

For example: I was thinking of making a Bestiary like the official one for users to use as the main method of browsing the animals in hyboria, instead of Category:Fauna (but keeping the category there, of course - as an alternate method of navigation). Torn 18:23, 28 October 2007 (CDT)

I personally think portal/summary pages are much preferable and friendlier. Linking to a category page seems more of a quick stand-in until a better index is created. --Eluna 20:37, 28 October 2007 (CDT)

Related to this, I've expanded the Hyboria page into a bit of a portal, linking to the known game zones. Perhaps this or a "World" page should be the primary geography page. --Eluna 16:22, 29 October 2007 (CDT)

Agreed, IMO it's a good idea to have Hyboria as the primary portal page for geography articles :) Torn 04:53, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Good idea. On WikiAOC FR, I start to create Portal page like fr:Portail:Peuples (with fr:Portail:Aquiloniens - fr:Portail:Cimmériens - fr:Portail:Stygiens). For Geography of Hyboria, I create a fr:Portail:Géographie (in construction). All portals are in the left side menu (modify: MediaWiki:Sidebar to create this menu). --Karouko 06:20, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

I've made the Bestiary portal, what do you lot think? I've also added it to the Category:WikiAOC:Portals - so we can have a common category for all portal pages. Torn 07:50, 30 October 2007 (CDT)

Just worked over the Aquilonians, Cimmerians and Stygians portals to match Karouko's great design on the French site. Torn 04:54, 8 November 2007 (CST)

Lore Articles & Improvements

It's been a while since we are not adding new content (well, there was not much to add anyway). I agree that we should start creating Lore articles. Introducing important characters and places in REH's hyborian universe. Maybe some timelines, maps, concept art (not necessarily aoc:ha concept) and such. This is a lore dependant game and we will eventually need to create lore pages anyway.

I also think that we should create better navigation menus (like collapsable faq navigation) etc. We should follow a templating rule for all spells and abilities (not now, we still need information) too. Making them more accessible in future.

Plase add all suggestions here so we can discuss and implement what we can.

Antimon 08:05, 7 October 2007 (CDT)

Agree with you on the lore side - we need to create lore articles, and get linking to them! I also think we need a 'geography' or 'places' category that we can fill in with lore/info on towns, areas, cities, instances, etc. Torn 03:06, 8 October 2007 (CDT). Oh, and I vote to give Karouko admin access - he's helped out a hell of a lot recently :)

Agree with create Lore articles in the Category:Lore, but how to make the difference between Game Lore and REH'Lore in wiki page ? I've created a main category Category:Age of Conan, and other category like Category:Geography with Isles, Seas, Dungeons. I think it's difficult to make the difference because it's the same universe. Maybe use Category:Age of Conan for all informations about the universe (Lore, Regions, Gods, Fauna, Flora) and specifics information about the game in Category:Gameplay (Maybe a bad name, rename Category:Game Info ?). --Karouko - 23:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I suggest to make a side menu (On the left, at the bottom of Naviguation), with main categories and articles like:

--Karouko - 23:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I've made a Lore page for use as a portal. Should be good to have, filling the content & articles from the Lore section on ageofconan.com. Torn 12:07, 28 October 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Lore - I think we should create simple 'portal' pages with thumbnails, links, etc. to the main articles instead of using 'category' pages as the main method of navigation: for example Bestiary instead of Category:Fauna Torn 12:45, 28 October 2007 (CDT)

Lore regions vs In-game regions

Eluna pointed out on the Talk:Hyboria page:

"I was listing as "Regions" those places that exist and are visitable by players in the game, rather than all locations described in the Conan lore [...] Do we need to distinguish Game Geography information which players will need for reference, from general lore about the world and its places? --Eluna 15:27, 30 October 2007 (CDT)"

I agree with her (him?) – in that we should have a category for in-game regions (important for players to be able to browse these), and a category for Lore regions (that players can read if they wish to learn more about the Lore). How about we keep the Category:Regions for in-game regions, and create a seperate category, something like "Category:Lore:Regions", for the areas that are not in AOC but form a part of Robert E. Howard's world? Torn 04:09, 31 October 2007 (CDT)

Thanks. From my POV (and I don't mean to be pushy, I'm a newcomer here!), but this is "Age of Conan Wiki", not "Robert E. Howard's Conan Wiki" - we're primarily about the game itself, rather than everything that exists in the related literature. So when I think of a page consisting of the world map and a list of regions, to my mind that consists of in-game regions, not necessarily everything described in the books. So I'm glad Torn agrees, it looks like we're of like mind :P --Eluna 19:54, 31 October 2007 (CDT)

Further to this, how about a subcategories for Regions such as Category:Playable Regions and Category:Lore Regions instead of the Lore: prefix? Torn 06:02, 16 November 2007 (CST)

Lore portal – scope?

See Talk:Lore – I'm not sure whether we should include things that we know are in-game (such as Bestiary, Hyboria, etc.) here.

Should we use Lore as a portal purely for information from Robert E. Howard that is not part of AOC (like the Category:Lore:Regions proposed above)? In which case, should we create a primary portal for things that are in-game, or is the Main page's 'Game Information' section enough for users?

I'm leaning towards the creation of a main portal page to discover the AOC game world, linking to the bestiary, maps, dungeons, instances, boss guides, weapons, spells, etc. with features such as "spotlight on"... and "did you know?"... the sort that User:Karouko seems to be good at designing :) [1] [2]

Thoughts? Torn 04:24, 31 October 2007 (CDT)

We could create a Lore: prefix to seperate Lore information (not in-game) from AOC-specific articles. For example, Lore:Gods, Lore:Hyboria, Category:Lore:Regions could have a wider scope of information than Gods, Hyboria and Category:Regions. Torn 04:45, 31 October 2007 (CDT)

Again, that seems really sensible to me, making a clear distinction between things that are in the game (which many people will be here to reference), and those things that are interesting to know but not immediately relevant to the game. --Eluna 19:56, 31 October 2007 (CDT)

I'm a Role Player and would like a place to read up on the lore. Best place to do that is on a wiki, instead of searching around google, that's what you do when you write the wiki. And seeing as this wiki is the best I really hope you will take us RPers along on the train, and having the lore part for itself seems fine to me. I think much of the lore is relevant to the game as FunCom has to go by the lore. But I might be wrong. DarimQ 21:18, 1 January 2008 (CST)

I'm also thinking we should revise the Lore scope situation, or at least start work on a Lore portal or category. I think a simple 'Lore' banner template at the top of each page (much like the stub article template) would be enough to tell users that the page is about information in Lore, and not currently in AoC. Torn 06:41, 3 January 2008 (CST)

Main Page Layout Updated

I updated / tweaked the Main Page, shuffling around a few things and adding a new section for "AOC News Summary" - so that users can glean more information at first glance. Comments / criticisms / adjustments welcome! :) Torn 15:11, 1 November 2007 (CDT)

Good job, looks good and has much more information than before. Also, seperating some content to their own templates looks like a good idea.. Antimon 01:01, 6 November 2007 (CST)

I'm thinking of redesigning the main page to match the Norweigan and French ones; they look better IMO. Thoughts? Or should just I go ahead and do it. Torn 10:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

The new layout looks good. But, you have put the actual races under the races link (Races – { Aquilonians • Cimmerians • Stygians }) is a good idea, but in my opinion it's hard/to much to read. You have to figure out what's categories and not. But that's just me DarimQ 12:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I've finished updating it now. The Races page has info that Aquilonians etc doesn't have.. maybe I'll update it and remove the aquilonians etc links? Torn 12:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

How about now? Torn 12:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Page organisation: Abilities & Feats

We've currently got the Abilities page for listing spells and combos, but from the 2/11/07 friday update, we know that:

Feats: By gaining levels you get points that you can invest in a multitude of feats that gives your character new capabilities or that improve existing ones.
Abilities: Gaining a new level may also grant you new combos for melee fighting, new stances that alter your combat style, as well as new spells.

Should we:

Put the Feats (for example Impish Horde) in their own Feats portal similar to the Abilities page, or
use Abilities as a general page for listing spells, combos, stances, feats.. and risk possible confusion?

Torn 05:39, 4 November 2007 (CST)

Feat Trees

I'm going to start using the Tree: prefix for feat tree articles such as the Dark Templar Tree:Depravity and Tree:Desecration, and the general feat trees available to the four archetypes: Tree:Mage, Tree:Soldier, Tree:Rogue, Tree:Priest.

No I won't – Aecursis has done a fair amount of work on the feat trees, and a feats navbar this morning, so we'll go with the ordinary naming scheme Depravity Desecration etc. :) Torn 03:29, 5 November 2007 (CST)

I'm still unsure what to name the archetype trees, though. Tree:Mage or Mage Feats? etc. Torn 03:31, 5 November 2007 (CST)

I would probably go with Tree:Mage. It would probably be easier to rename the few trees that I did as well, to include the Tree: prefix. I had a problem with that because the Guardian's Tempest tree is also the name of an ability, so I had to include a prefix with that. It would be easiest to change the names now before the pages get too big...I can do that later if you would like. Aecursis 15:08, 5 November 2007 (CST)

Sounds good :) make any changes you feel are necessary! Torn 16:34, 5 November 2007 (CST)

Or, how about Feats/Mage, Feats/Depravity instead of a Tree: suffix? might look nicer on the url. And Barbarian/Feats etc. Torn 16:41, 5 November 2007 (CST)

I didn't find the move/rename feature until after I changed the pages to the example you just used, ie: Feats/Tempest. So could you delete the following pages that aren't in use?: Tempest/Feat, Brute, Carnage, Depravity, Desecration, Juggernaut. Thanks. Aecursis 18:18, 5 November 2007 (CST)

I just deleted them, thanks :) Antimon 00:58, 6 November 2007 (CST)

Great work Aecursis, glad to have you on the WikiAOC team :) Torn 02:51, 6 November 2007 (CST)

I've added the archetype feat trees (common to all classes in a particular archetype) to FeatsNav, and sorted out the Category:Feats and Category:Feat Trees structure. As it stands now, there's a bit of naming inconsistency:

(For the conqueror)

How about extending the "/" naming style further for the feat trees, and having:

and further to this,

Individual feats could stay named as they are currently - eg: Ravenous Eater, Impish Horde etc.

Thoughts? It seems more consistent and user-friendly to me (and fakes a logical physical URL structure). However is this 'over the top', does it go against any general Wiki naming guidelines? Torn 03:28, 6 November 2007 (CST)

I like the idea. The only problem with adding slashes, is that it messes up the look of the categories because they are alphabetized by the first letter. For example, if someone wants to find the Brute tree, the'll actually need to look under "C", for Conqueror/Feats/Brute. I don't really see any way around that though. Aecursis 13:50, 6 November 2007 (CST)

That's a good point. I think I'll just move the "feats/archetype" to "archetype/feats" to be consistent with the "class/feats" and leave the individual named trees under "feats/carnage" so they are sorted alphabetically. Torn 02:57, 8 November 2007 (CST)

Consistency of Style @ Antimon

We're putting a lot of CSS style information directly into html elements, namely tables, on our pages. While this does the job well, it might make things a little harder for the 'average user' and can lead to style inconsistency accross the site. [3] [4] [5]

Should we work on a collection of 'default' styles for tables as templates that users can copy & paste according to their needs, and then put these into the main css file of the site? A more modular approach and commented example templates would reduce source clutter and make things more user-friendly (not to mention the possibility of different css skins at a later date, but which is probably unnecessary). Torn 02:59, 6 November 2007 (CST)

I agree. New portal layouts you copied from Karouko's pages looks really good. Using that style everywhere seems better. So, shall we create templates for generic table needs based on that style or just create examples? I think a modular template approach would be better. Antimon 05:23, 9 November 2007 (CST)

Definitely modular - let's see it's possible to create styles & examples for commonly used things like tables. For example - a normal table, a table with alternate row background colouring, collapsasble tables, sortable tables (although sortable tables might mess up alternate row colouring, unless the colours are worked out dynamically through DOM scripting?).. and then put examples of them up. Karouko's portal design is great, we could probably stick an empty version of one of them as an example page with comments for users to copy the source. Torn 06:09, 9 November 2007 (CST)

Oh, and some JS for collapsable / expandable information boxes could be a cool idea. I guess you could do this as divs, or maybe a table, for easier positioning Torn 06:11, 9 November 2007 (CST)

Hello Antimon, I want to make the same Navigation Bar like Template:Navbox in the French wiki, but the CSS Class "collapsible" doesn't exist. Thanks --Karouko 10:41, 13 November 2007 (CST)

You should be able to edit MediaWiki:Common.js Torn 11:01, 13 November 2007 (CST)

Oh yeah. Thanks Torn ;) --Karouko 14:54, 13 November 2007 (CST)

Bestiary

Do you think we should add creatures that haven't had an official preview to the bestiary? There's a few that have quite few screenshots that we could include, even without any preview/overview. A few examples are the Yetis, Spider Demons, Floral Terrors, and Frost Giants. Aecursis 01:01, 8 November 2007 (CST)

Go for it, that's a good idea, and I think you can search for screenshots in the ageofconan.com search box. Torn 02:58, 8 November 2007 (CST)

Looking good :). I've just thought, horses can be mounts too - we should probably make a page for them. I've seen some mounted combat screenshots somewhere... Torn 02:37, 9 November 2007 (CST)

I think they're called 'War Horses' (see bottom of post [6]) Torn 03:00, 9 November 2007 (CST)

Are the class pets seen as bestiary as well? Like the Ilgergand? DarimQ

They might be ;). Should we have the Bestiary contain all in-game monsters and animals, and then make sub-category pages like Mounts for different types? Or do it like the french version of wikiaoc and make a distinction between 'animals' (that are in the real-world) and 'creatures' (aoc fantasy creations)? Torn 06:46, 3 January 2008 (CST)

The way we have it now is good in my opinion. In the Hyborian world wouldn't all creatures be seen as animals? Except for the demon bats and the likes. I don't know, but so far I think having one animal category is the best, but we could try both versions and see how we like them? It could help dividing it if there will be allot of them, as it probably will. Another question though, are the other mobs like the Picts also counted at Bestiary? (aoc.wikia counts them in.) DarimQ 17:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I would put all enemies and non-player entities in the 'Bestiary', including the Dafari and Pict NPCs (as we've taken a broad approach to 'bestiary' at the moment). But maybe that draws away from the true meaning of 'bestiary' (beasts, animals)? If so, we could have a more general category called 'entities' or something and then subclass it for bestiary, flora, NPCs, etc. Torn 17:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Logo

I replaced our ambiguous AOC logo with the one Karouko made recently. It looks better to me. Let me know what you think so we may change it again or keep this way. Antimon 02:13, 21 December 2007 (CST)

Looks quite nice IMO - well done Karouko! :) Torn 05:20, 21 December 2007 (CST)

Videos

Can we get a <divx> function much like the <youtube> one? The DivX video sources are much better than the youtube ones, IMO :). The embed code on the divx pages doesn't seem to work in WikiAOC, maybe there's a better way of doing it? Either way, our Videos section needs an overhaul. Torn 06:55, 21 December 2007 (CST)

Gametube has quite good quality as well, but only about four videos, the main ones like field of the dead. They have quite fast load though. At least I'm in for anything better than youtube. DarimQ 23:28, 2 January 2008 (CST)

Picasa2Gallery

I'm just shooting this out aimlesly more or less, but you know how small ideas can become big. So I went to the mediawiki page to find a "picture of the day" thing and I stumbled across this extention: Picasa2Gallery. As far as I get it, it changes XML data exported from googles Picasa2 program. You can tag pictures, make different albums etc. I don't know, it just looks nice and I thought maybe it would at nicely to our layout, you have this "wall" of pictures and when you click one it enlargens (zooms in or whatever). Just an idea, might be good, might not. Extension Picasa2 Program

Nice extension ! --Karouko 15:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Language links for Finnish wiki

Hi,

First, let me just say that you got a really nice looking wiki going on here. Keep up the good work.

The reason I am here is to propose co-operation. We have a nice site for Finnish AoC community at www.aocfinland.net . ATM we have features such as gallery, news section, forum, very lively chat channel and a wiki. I was wondering if we could work out a way to make the language links "interwiki". What I mean is that when I add the code "en:Barbarian" to my wiki page it would link back to your wiki, to the page barbarian. Ofc, this should work vice versa.

Do you think we could pull off something like this or should I just scarp the idea?

Firefox Search Engine

I'm not too up on how to create a search engine for Firefox, but it would be awesome to have one, as aoc.wikia.com has one, but they tend to be behind the power curve when it comes to information.

http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Creating_OpenSearch_plugins_for_Firefox is a link to somewhere that could possibly help someone do it.

Hi, opensearch is active and running -at least on my ie7 :)- atm. You should be able to select wikiaoc in search bar dropdown menu, i'm gonna check firefox to see if i missed anything. BTW, thanks alot for your recent contributions and let us know if you need anything. Antimon 22:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't even notice it there. No problem, I love contributing! SWC_Syzygy 23:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Search Bar location

Its been studied that people scan the upper left of the web page 70% more than other parts, so that is the best place to put things you want them to see. The search bar needs to be moved from the bottom left to above the navigation imho. User:SWC Syzygy

Agreed - just above the 'races' would be good. Torn 20:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, but there is a tiny problem :) That 4 boxes are rendered by wiki parser using MediaWiki:Sidebar but search is hard coded so can move it to topmost, not between those boxes with this setup. But we can get rid of that search box entirely and install this extension: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Inputbox So, it would be possible to create a search box wherever we want (including anywhere in MediaWiki:Sidebar). What do you think? Antimon 15:51, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Much better, go for it! Torn 15:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, i just upgraded our mediawiki installation to latest stable release. I also set that search box to be the second on navigation panel. (Inputbox extension installed but not used there). I also made some directory structure changes(which is invisible to visitors) and it's likely to have some bugs :) Please let me know if you notice any unexpected behaviour. Antimon 12:10, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Quests

I have started to work on quests on the French side of the wiki. See http://fr.wikiaoc.com/Qu%C3%AAtes. I have made various templates which may be usefull, including http://fr.wikiaoc.com/Mod%C3%A8le:Questttip. Please feel free to comment or provide improvement ideas.
I'll change the naming scheme that I have used for the quest, to a format like "Quest:Name of questline (step #)". Any comment on the best naming scheme for quests?
Please look at the little recursion trick that I used to avoid typing twice the quest information (in the parameters, and in the tooltip information). This could apply to the feat templates also. The additional benefit is that it enable to draw the tooltip with a single table. The fixed width layout caused many issues in French due to the varying length of text on the left column.
-- Andjety 14:45, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow - that looks very good! I'll email Antimon and tell him to give the French side a quick look :) - getting quests sorted out on the English version is on our todo list, I think you've just helped us a lot! (trés impressionant! Je vais envoyer un email a Antimon pour lui notifier - car mettre en place un systeme pour les quétes dans cette version Anglaise du wiki est important pour nous; je crois que vous nous avez sauvez un tas d'effort!) Torn 10:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I've also started to work on NPC and object. For object we would need Antimon to put the javascript in sync with what is applied on the English side. The tooltip don't work. It would also be nice to be able to define additional CSS classes for quest, items and NPC. This would greatly facilitate the fine tuning of formatting. --Andjety 16:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry about my absence, have been dealing with some issues. Our new template, installed here: http://nowiki.wikiaoc.com/english/index.php?title=The-Age-of-Conan-Wiki looks fine but not perfect yet. My designer friend (CeyCey) is working on that. You need api access on french wiki to have that tooltips working (just activated). Now, check MediaWiki:Common.js and copy the javascripts here to french Common.js. Also, MediaWiki:Common.css is applied to the site so if you need to define css, just edit fr:MediaWiki:Common.css. Antimon 14:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, you obiously did that stuff :) Turns out we need to install mediawiki 1.12.0. I'll be updating french wiki tonight then it should work. Antimon 14:48, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Antimon :) http://nowiki.wikiaoc.com/english/index.php?title=The-Age-of-Conan-Wiki look very good ! --Karouko 20:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The new skin coming soon ? ^^ --Karouko 21:13, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I just upgraded french installation and made necessary changes on tooltip script. Check: fr:Utilisateur:Antimon/Test. There might be some issues, let me know if you notice anything. New design looks good but we have some problems there. As Torn suggested, we have too much free space under header area and we need to edit templates to match new design. I was gonna have that done last weekend but just could not :) Any suggestions? (feel free to work on that though). Antimon 23:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The new design look awesome! that's great. The tooltips work fine, thank you. I will now work to include the tooltips on objects links.--Andjety 08:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

There was an issue with the display of the quest table on http://fr.wikiaoc.com/Qu%C3%AAtes . As I added new quests, it seemed that the wiki could not display all tables, and it only displayed the link to the last 2 tables. It seems to work now. Did you change anything which may have corrected it? Some limit on the number of inclusions or recursion in a page? --Andjety 08:39, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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